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		<title>By: Jai</title>
		<link>http://kennsarah.net/2003/12/07/not-cool-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh... the websites don&#039;t suck... well at least this one doesn&#039;t. I dunno about any other ones, but this one is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh&#8230; the websites don&#8217;t suck&#8230; well at least this one doesn&#8217;t. I dunno about any other ones, but this one is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://kennsarah.net/2003/12/07/not-cool-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By your tone toward the end of that whatever-that-was, it seems you&#039;re doubting your webdesign abilities.  Hmmm, not a good sign seeing how I just hired you to design ours...

BTW, any prototype yet?!?!

Also, I registered halliegreider.com at Dreamhost.com.  I think I&#039;ll need some additional advice on how to get everything going for that.

Nice seeing you, albiet briefly, at TVC this morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By your tone toward the end of that whatever-that-was, it seems you&#8217;re doubting your webdesign abilities.  Hmmm, not a good sign seeing how I just hired you to design ours&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW, any prototype yet?!?!</p>
<p>Also, I registered halliegreider.com at Dreamhost.com.  I think I&#8217;ll need some additional advice on how to get everything going for that.</p>
<p>Nice seeing you, albiet briefly, at TVC this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I claim total responsibility for the &quot;sucking&quot; slander that&#039;s going around...http://www.posegate.org/russ/Nov2003/why_i_suck/index.php

Since you designed my website, that&#039;s probably where this all came from...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I claim total responsibility for the &#8220;sucking&#8221; slander that&#8217;s going around&#8230;<a href="http://www.posegate.org/russ/Nov2003/why_i_suck/index.php" >http://www.posegate.org/russ/Nov2003/why_i_suck/index.php</a></p>
<p>Since you designed my website, that&#8217;s probably where this all came from&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;if they decided were not what they were looking for.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Im sorry, but youre not cool enough to join our church.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why on earth would you want to attend a church you have to apply to in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://kennsarah.net/2003/12/07/not-cool-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there&#039;s a difference between attending a church and joining a church. Being a member and being an attendee are two different things, but I&#039;m sure Ken will say a hundred times better than I can what the differences are...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there&#8217;s a difference between attending a church and joining a church. Being a member and being an attendee are two different things, but I&#8217;m sure Ken will say a hundred times better than I can what the differences are&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Churches are usually democratic institutions.  Members are allowed to vote and be elected/assigned to positions of authority/responsibility, such as deacon.  Non-members can attend, enjoy, support financially, etc... 

Kind of like US citizenship vs. green card.

Other benefits: Members are usually shown a secret handshake.  They also are given immunity from speeding tickets and told the punch lines to various jokes that other members usually leave hanging.  They also have the right to make any non-member carry their things and explain complex theological issues using pig latin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Churches are usually democratic institutions.  Members are allowed to vote and be elected/assigned to positions of authority/responsibility, such as deacon.  Non-members can attend, enjoy, support financially, etc&#8230; </p>
<p>Kind of like US citizenship vs. green card.</p>
<p>Other benefits: Members are usually shown a secret handshake.  They also are given immunity from speeding tickets and told the punch lines to various jokes that other members usually leave hanging.  They also have the right to make any non-member carry their things and explain complex theological issues using pig latin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://kennsarah.net/2003/12/07/not-cool-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like democratic institutions in which everyone gets to vote, instead of the elite member class..

That said, clearly I don&#039;t know what I am talking about. So I will just shut up. 

I am curious what the result would be if Ken and Sarah aren&#039;t made members - do you keep attending, always knowing that the leaders of the church don&#039;t think you are cool enough to join? Or do you find another church?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like democratic institutions in which everyone gets to vote, instead of the elite member class..</p>
<p>That said, clearly I don&#8217;t know what I am talking about. So I will just shut up. </p>
<p>I am curious what the result would be if Ken and Sarah aren&#8217;t made members &#8211; do you keep attending, always knowing that the leaders of the church don&#8217;t think you are cool enough to join? Or do you find another church?</p>
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		<title>By: Darin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

I don&#039;t think it will be much of a problem seeing that Ken dwarfs me in coolness and I was accepted....

Pez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it will be much of a problem seeing that Ken dwarfs me in coolness and I was accepted&#8230;.</p>
<p>Pez</p>
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		<title>By: altp</title>
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		<dc:creator>altp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--
Why on earth would you want to attend a church you have to apply to in the first place?
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So that they can be snobbish and be all &quot;I&#039;m a member of such and such church&quot; ... its like the theological country club or something. ;-)

/me ducks and runs for ken before he can punch me. 

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I like democratic institutions in which everyone gets to vote, instead of the elite member class..
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I have to agree. This is something that was brought up recently in a local tech group meeting. The arguement that I gave into was &quot;You shouldn&#039;t be able to vote unless you have a basic knowledge of the topic at hand.&quot; Thus, to get membership you need to have a basic understanding of the topics (and in the case of this group, a gpg key and get on the keychain ... voting is limited to gpg so people can&#039;t vote twice ... or at least that is the idea, nothing is coded yet ;-) )

That logic I can go with. I wouldn&#039;t expect to walk into a church one day that they were voting on something and be allowed to have the deciding vote on some issue. Thing is, who decides is that basic knowledge if there or not? Especially in issues of something like religion where one passage in a book can mean completely different things to different people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;<br />
Why on earth would you want to attend a church you have to apply to in the first place?<br />
&#8211;</p>
<p>So that they can be snobbish and be all &#8220;I&#8217;m a member of such and such church&#8221; &#8230; its like the theological country club or something. <img src='http://kennsarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>/me ducks and runs for ken before he can punch me. </p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
I like democratic institutions in which everyone gets to vote, instead of the elite member class..<br />
&#8211;</p>
<p>I have to agree. This is something that was brought up recently in a local tech group meeting. The arguement that I gave into was &#8220;You shouldn&#8217;t be able to vote unless you have a basic knowledge of the topic at hand.&#8221; Thus, to get membership you need to have a basic understanding of the topics (and in the case of this group, a gpg key and get on the keychain &#8230; voting is limited to gpg so people can&#8217;t vote twice &#8230; or at least that is the idea, nothing is coded yet <img src='http://kennsarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>That logic I can go with. I wouldn&#8217;t expect to walk into a church one day that they were voting on something and be allowed to have the deciding vote on some issue. Thing is, who decides is that basic knowledge if there or not? Especially in issues of something like religion where one passage in a book can mean completely different things to different people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Walker</title>
		<link>http://kennsarah.net/2003/12/07/not-cool-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RyanJohn and Russ are right: theres a substantial difference between membership and attendance. Attendance carries with it organizational privledges (such as congregational voting and being able to take office), but really emphasizes commitment to joining and taking part in a community. The Village Church takes the responsiblity of churches to care about its members seriously, so it makes interviews a requirement for membership.</p>
<p>These interviews arent like job interviews, where they pick and choose members based on skills or character or some other criteria, but more like opportunities to get to know the church leaders and let them get to know us. Alex was just being clever. <img src='http://kennsarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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